Various Meanings of "Implicit Faith"

This is a very rough division of different senses of implicit faith. It’s NOT definitive. But, each grouping has important and significant differences that need to be heeded. Even where nuance might be needed or even correction, this is all meant to be based upon Thomistic foundations.

A. Meaning related to Dogmatic Development—Implicitation as unfolding of the truths of the faith over time

B. Meaning regarding implicitation among various persons right now
B1. The way that some Catholics today have implicit faithful in some mysteries (one would speak of maiores and minores)
B2. The way that some Orthodox today have implicit faith in some mysteries
B3. The way that some Protestants today have implicit faith in some mysteries


C. The way that those who were directly involved in salvation history had truths of faith — Development of Revelation
     - Mosaic Revelation
     - Revelation during the age of the "law of nature" (as they used to say)

D. Implicit faith in the distant cases of those who are saved by a kind of surd in voto baptismi.  This is necessary for the case found even in Pius IX.  (Although, when he speaks of those who follow the natural law, though they know not the gospel, he does somewhat naturalize this process. It makes it sound as though God will give supernatural recompense after a life of natural rectitude. But in fact, it is a question of implicit, supernatural faith, founded upon a very weak noetic foundation.)

Such implicit faith is also acknowledged by Scholastics prior to this, and also by Hugon, Garrigou, and even, to a degree, Fenton; I think it is given excellent analysis by Maritain, Journet, Labourdette, and Jean-Hervé Nicolas.  (I am thinking here of the case analyzed in the article on the Immanent dialectic of the first free act, by Maritain.  As Nicolas points out, this is different from a pre-volitional, natively positive inclination that would be a kind of anonymous Christianity on the model of K. Rahner.)

Dogmatic Development Note Dump

(Also see posting regarding implicit faith)
This is a very rough outline of some things, being posted here from an email where I laid out the stakes of the debate between Francisco Marín-Sola and Reginald Schultes.

Basically M-S and Schultes agree on a good deal (which Schultes takes great pain to say).  But there is a very particular question (along with the theoretical underpinning) concerning the definability of specifically scientific conclusions in theology.  (Schultes takes great pains to say that they are not the only conclusions in theology - an assertion by him that made me rejoice, in light of what I wrote some years back in NV concerning the sapiential offices of theology.  He confirms my insights in that regard.).

What is at stake comes down to the following, if I might ramble it off in voice-to-speech.  In St. Thomas and the other high scholastics, the question of dogmatic development is not taken up in detail.  Their question was the development of revelation (was the faith in the OT the same as the NT?).  You know all the classic texts in St. Thomas of course.  So it took some time to develop the question concerning the development of dogma in detail. There are seeds all throughout that era, but it's just not thematic.

Moreover, the distinction between faith and the formal object of theological science is not totally articulated either.  (Too many later commentators, I will admit gladly, tend to read back on Thomas the precision of a later age.)  But there is a good argument that the position that starts to crystallize around the time of Cajetan can be pushed back into the 14th century debates over this distinction.  (The standard example, having great influence on the later Thomists, is how this matter is found in Capreolus.  But it can be found in many others.  See, for example, just to take one case, the interesting relevant texts published in translation by Antonius de Carlenis.  I suspect that reading all of his relevant questions - both theological and logical - would reveal very interesting aspects of all this, historically speaking.)  There is, however, a question concerning how to understand the relationship between Cajetan's distinction of the formalities of theological science and faith in relation to what John of St. Thomas says.  The latter is claimed, by a certain revision-oriented narrative, to be too much under Suarez's influence concerning the notion of virtual revelation.  Philosophically speaking, I think that there is something going on during this period where the thinkers are making important distinctions, that are already implicit in the logic of the prior and posterior analytics, but not developed in full: scientific inferences involve the drawing of new truths which are not formally in the premises.  (This obviously can be found all the way back to the 13th century.  But to call this, in the supernatural domain, "virtual revelation" is a novelty, I admit.  Still, I'm less critical than folks like Donneaud et al.)

You find throughout the period from St. Thomas to John of St. Thomas the general question about what to say concerning the De fide status of truths known through theological science BEFORE and AFTER the Church's definition.  This is where all the rub comes down.  It actually is still slightly ambiguous at the time of John of St. Thomas, and this ambiguity is reflected, actually in the Reiser edition's first volume. There is a striking footnote against Marin Sola in the critical edition.  I was flabbergasted by this and truly wonder about the politics that led to that being added - very unlike the rest of the volume, which does not do such things.  But the fact that it is in there shows that he is still at a moment where the settled way of speaking has not 100% crystalized, so there is ambiguity that is seized on by M-S, I believe wrongly, though it is understandable.

But, this becomes fully developed around the time of the Salmanticenses that such conclusions cannot be defined De fide. (Some, like Schultes- and I hold this right now at least - would hold that this is ultimately harmonious with the earlier mainstream of Thomists.  Marin-Sola, for his part, in the pages of RT and then in his book on development of dogma holds that it is not, that it is a Suarezian import.). They defend this upon the basis of distinguishing objectively inferential reasoning (formally new truth in the premises) vs. only subjectively illative reasoning (this would take the form of an expository syllogism [basically giving a particular example] or an explicative syllogism [in which the conclusion is only a more distinct / defined statement of the major]).  The former (objectively illative) would be called conclusiones quoad se, the latter (subjectively illative, of whatever type) conclusiones quoad nos.   (Aside: another example of a good non-inferential kind of knowledge is so-called "immediate inference", usually taught in view of the square of opposition.  Such "immediate inference" is not an inference / illation at all, strictly speaking.  Maritain explains this well in his formal logic text, though more development is needed on this point.)

It is critical here to realize the importance of the distinction between res et obiectum.  This is something that Deely used to harp on, but funny enough it comes up very explicitly in Garrigou, Labourdette, and Schultes.  One and the same res is objectifiable in many ways.  We see this in the case of definitions very clearly: animal  and simian are both genera in relation to man.  The one reality (res) of man is multiply objectifiable.  This multiplicity in objectifiability is what underlies the work of forming relationes rationis that are second intentions (studied in logic).  I'm very sure of all of this, based on my dissertation work and further research.  It is a topic woefully understudied by Thomists because it is not found in St. Thomas's very own words.... 

But, this distinction (of res and obiectum) is also reflected in a more familiar observation: truth is "in the intellect".  Speculative truth affirms that two objects of knowledge (=two things objectified as predicate and subject) are one in reality.  (This takes place immediately through immediate experience and, more importantly for our purposes, intellectus; it takes place mediately through opinion, science, and wisdom.)  One and the same reality (res) can have multiple truths:

God is subsistently and uncreatedly transcendent.

God is subsistently and uncreatedly Esse.

God is subsistently and uncreatedly Beauty.

God is subsistently and uncreatedly Provident.

God is subsistently and uncreatedly knowing of what he creates ("science of vision").

And so forth.

We could do the same thing, too, for, for example, the "metaphysical properties" of man.  This term ("metaphysical properties") was used by later scholastics to distinguish that which is a proper predication of a substance as a substance from a predication of an accident which is really distinct from the subject, the latter being called a "physical" property.  The terms are weird and awkward, like so much of the technical terminology of scholasticism.  But, it's trying to draw attention to the fact that we know certain predicates to be attributable to man in his very substance, not only as proper "accidents" (="physical properties"):

Man is political.

Man is cultural.

Man is, yes, "risible".  (I don't like this example, given that these kinds of "repeated" examples have a way of turning the brain more off than on...)

Anyway, such metaphysical properties are not really distinct from the subject in question, but they are objectively / cogntionally distinct.  In short: each of those statements are different truths.  It is the work of the various sciences to show how per se attributions can prove, mediately, the belonging of those predicates to those subjects.

Here is where M-S's theory comes in.  The overall theory is based on several moves at the start of the book, where he distinguishes, first, "physical" and "metaphysical" reasoning.  He is using the latter in the sense of "metaphysical properties", though in a very sui generis way (as far as I can tell), he is saying that a "physical demonstration" is based upon the laws of nature and hence have exceptions.  This does not seem at all to have anything to do with the distinction between modern science and philosophy of nature (e.g., Simon and Maritain vs. De Koninck and Wallace).  I'll be honest I think it is a left over from some bad, half-baked manual.  There was a lot of dross still out there.  This is not at all a normal way of speaking.  (I think that Thomists needed to go in the direction of Maritain and Simon on the science question.  But, that is not helped by this notion of "physical" reasoning, which smacks of nominalism: very concerned about how God might exercise His absolute power.)

But, Marin-Sola also provides a division of distinction, broadly like what one finds in a lot of Thomists regarding reasoning reason and reasoned reason.  (Personally, I hate this language.  I know that some people out there have said that I'm way too technical with my use of scholastic terminology, but on this point, I really think that it's not helpful.  Moreover, one has to be very careful to distinguish more carefully than most, here I think even M-S as well, do.  A nominal distinction is not the same as a conceptual distinction, correct. But in the latter, too, we must distinguish between a major virtual and a minor virtual distinction.  Truth be told it was only VERY recently when trying to teach this to an MA-level course that I finally realized how to do it without sounding like a sorcerer of scholasticism.  For this, I owe Austin Woodbury an infinite debt, though, I had to go through several of his "texts" to find the best way to explain it.  For your amusement, I'll attach for you an older breakout chart I made some years ago, based upon him.)

Okay, well, this is where we finally hit it: he says that metaphysical demonstrations involve stating something that is not "really" distinct.  Now, this is VERY true.  (However, there are many scientific demonstrations where there are distinctions in re - many cases where we discuss proper effects would be an example of this.  But if it weren't late, I could come up with a list of examples.  But I think we can trust each other on this.  In scientific inference, there are conclusions that involve assertions about realities that are distinct in reality, but having a per se dependence - and hence being a candidate for founding a scientific illation.)  The example of the divine names is one of the clearest cases where his example holds.  The various names are only conceptually (or, from the perspective of God, virtually) distinct, by a minor virtual distinction.  But they are not really distinct, obviously. 

Marin-Sola says that when we draw "metaphysical" (in the peculiar and broad sense of the term mentioned above) inferences about such realities, we in a sense are not saying anything new about reality.  Two propositions that have the same subject (e.g. God) and two really (in re) identical predicates would have the same in re meaning / sense .  (Even if he perhaps backs away from this claim, his position is still problematic, for reasons to be discussed soon.). But it is obvious that the meaning of these two propositions is not the same, even if they identify one and the same reality in re:

God is subsistently and uncreatedly Esse.

God is subsistently and uncreatedly Beauty.

The judgments bear the mind to different (complex - i.e. 2nd operation of the intellect) objects of knowledge. 

They don't have the same sense, even though everything there is one in re

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But, he goes even further for example, he goes so far as to hold that, for example, the conclusion that God exists is implicit in the premises of something like the First Way - that ultimately it is not a wholly new truth.  I need to go back yet again and look in detail at this, but I have run across in now several times in Schultes in articles (and once in the book).  He basically holds that the conclusion, though, is an explicitation of the premises, not some kind of new truth - as though the existence of God, for metaphysical reasoning, is just the manifestation of a truth that per se is contained in the notion of created, mobile being.  I need to go back and double check if he really means this.  But I find no mendacity in Schultes.  And I do think that M-S has a congenital weakness in that he is overstating the supposed formal sameness of scientific conclusions in relation to their premises.  We must say, by contrast: scientific conclusions are only virtually contained in the premises, but not formally as the same truths.  Eh well...

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So, for MS, after much truly learned discussion about history and the various vicissitudes of these matters, he holds that "metaphysical" (always in the sense above) conclusions regarding one and the same in re reality are in the end not new truths but explications of the existing truth.

This is what Schultes (though, I believe, in line with a good branch of scholasticism) objects to.  He admits happily: there are conclusions that are concerned with the principles of theology (the truths of faith).  This kind of reasoning is not objectively inferential. Think of the various offices of wisdom that I show from Doronzo in that NV article.  This would be a series of examples (more developed than what is in Schultes) of what kinds of arguments are possible here. Such truths can be defined De fide.  It is a noble office of theology.

Wisdom explicates its principles and shows their interconnection.  Such reasoning does not lead to new truths.  It is a restatement and appreciation of the principles in a given order.  BUT, nonetheless, there are scientific demonstrations with new truths in theology: 1 esse in Christ; the infused moral virtues; perhaps (?) the notion of subsistent relation applied to the persons of the Trinity; the instrumental causality exercised by  Christ's sacred humanity; the Thomist theory of sacramental causality by effective-instrumental causality, etc.  (Admittedly, there is some further discussion regarding the nature of arguments with two "premises of faith" and one with a "premise of faith" and one "of reason". We'll set that aside.  Schultes tends to be talking about the latter.  There is a good argument to be made that the former can be de fide defined.).  Such new conclusions are new truths, even if they are one in reality.  Who would dream of saying that the Thomist theory (well, at least in Cajetan's line of reading - I'm aware of some of the issues here, but even if those are granted, the argument holds) concerning the unified esse of Christ is something de fide.  But, I would hold that it is something generally scientifically certain

So, for Schultes, can such truths be defined?  Yes, but here we get ourselves into another thicket.  They are definable in terms of ecclesiastical faith.  As you know, this notion has a checkered history, having become famous by its application in the Jansenist controversy, so that authorities in Paris could condemn the Jansenists in view of the "dogmatic fact" that Jansen himself was in error.  Whatever might be said about those particularities, this notion of "ecclesiastical faith" was a bit of a mess, tied up in all of the other related topics of discursive faith, etc.  And I have waffled on it myself.  It is denied vigorously by Marin-Sola, but also by Gardeil, Garrigou, Doronzo, Labourdette, and others.  Schultes holds it because it would be an assent based upon the formal motive, not of God revealing, but of the infallible assistance that we know the Church to have from the Holy Spirit.  Here, the "division" of truth is almost identical with what we today call de fide tenenda.  In fact, the language of the CDF document speaking of this uses language almost the same as the older language of Ecclesiastical faith.  The foundation in Lumen Gentium is almost certainly based on the scholastic category of assent.  (In fact, from what I understand, Vatican I was - prematurely, I would think - hoping to define something about the definitive authority of the Church in just such matters: definitive, yes, but not credenda de fide.). By saying that it is "de fide tenenda" the CDF wisely allowed the exact question of theories of assent / censure to remain vague. 

Thus, when the Church does definitively teach about some moral matter that is not revealed but is connected essentially with revelation, it is a question of something defined by Ecclesiastical faith.  I'm wary of the notion, I admit.  But, I also think that it is very true that we absolutely cannot say that every definitive teaching is believed because of the formal motive of infused faith: God has not Himself immediately revealed all of those truths.  Such "mediate" and reasoned-out revelation (though proposed authoritatively by the Church) must have some mark of difference in its assent.  But, I will leave that matter stand for now.  (Ramirez has an interesting solution if you are ever interested.  I'm not sure, though, if I could subscribe to it either.). But, in any case, this is at the heart of contemporary debates.  We need to revisit and resolve, at long last, the question of Ecclesiastical faith, one way or the other.

Thus, to sum it all up.  The question comes down to this:

For Schultes (and many classic Thomists): There is objective inference / illation involved in properly scientific conclusions in theology, most markedly in cases where philosophical truths are directly super-elevated by theological discourse (the use of a "premise of reason").

These inferences are not the only ones that take place in theology.  But they are present, insofar as theology is scientific in nature (though it is more than science - for it is wisdom).

And although they might open up on the same reality, they do not always enunciate the same truths as the premises involved.

Therefore, to say that they are De fide definable is to hold that the Church can define as revealed a new truth.  This cannot be called anything other than a new revelation....  (Interestingly, as far as I know, Suarez almost went so far as to allow for something akin to this, though he tried to minimize the implications....  I look forward to a paper by Fr. Pidel at the upcoming conference, for I want to hear the most kind interpretation possible.  But even Juan de Lugo and many later SJs, even Suarezians, had to differ with their great master.)

But, on many points Schultes does agree with Marin-Sola.  He thinks, perspicuously in my opinion, that M-S is perhaps more correct about theological progress than dogmatic progress.

Person and Common Good - Or, Why I am Frustrated about the Whole Affair with De Koninck

[Another facebook post…]

[This is going to be a bit rambling and ranty…. I hope most of the latter tone was taken out, at least….!  I have had thoughts about this affair for going on ten years now.  This is all written in a spirit of fraternal brotherhood and _always with a willingness to be called to account in charity._  I was perhaps too flippant at first—who isn’t on social media?...—but the remark was based on thoughts that I have had for years and also somewhat emotionally on the basis of the utter lunacy of claiming that Garrigou is a personalist.  Interestingly, too, if people push too much on this, you’ll see that on the application of the somewhat-troublesome person /individual distinction, Garrigou is almost the same as Maritain.  I have deep respect for Dr. O’Neill, but I think on this issue that if he performs a “rapprochement” between RGL and CDK he will find, against his liking , that he will drag JM in tow.]

 

So…. Perhaps… I’ll gladly acknowledge, at least, that I am tougher on De Koninck than perhaps I should be.  The whole affair, however, is quite unfortunate in the lineaments of how it unfolded. First and foremost he actually never directly addresses Maritain himself. It’s all by way of insinuation in the original volume, and the very lengthy follow up article (longer than the original book, actually), is a response to Fr. Ignatius Eschmann, whose defense of Maritain is deserving of critique.  De Koninck rightly notes the problem concerning how Maritan is basically interpreted two different ways: by Yves Simon as being in substantive agreement with De Koninck (and I think Simon is correct, and ultimately knows Maritain’s thought / writings much better than Eschmann); but by Eschmann as being in disagreement with De Koninck.  If nothing else it bears witness to the need for deeper reflection by Maritain.

 

Now, there were two levels on which I tend to move regarding this affair.  First and foremost I think that, completely based upon the text themselves, that one can say that De Koninck never directly addresses _Maritain_ or his own thought.  Moreover, he is claimed to have said to Simon privately (as reported in records one can find at the Josais) never to have read Maritain.  That’s fine, but then all of his epigones should not act as though he ever wrote against Maritain or Maritain’s articulations.  At best, he wrote against one of Maritain’s followers, and not his ablest.  I remain unconvinced that there actually is any substantive difference between the Maritain and De Koninck, even if there are (important) nuances of difference.  Maritain regularly avers to the primacy of the common good.  He relativizes (whether too much or too little, the _general_ point is correct, though I’m more than happy to concede the vestiges of liberalism in him) the political order and the political common good, along the same lines as Aristotle.  While one might claim that he denies that the vision of God is a common good, what he actually says is that in this case there no longer is a distinction between the “private” good _as orderable_ to beatitude and the separate common good, which is here no longer separate or distinct in any way but, in fact, actuates the intellect and the will immediately—for in patria the act in question is the divine act elicited in the immediate vision of God, subjectively elevated by the light of glory.  Such knowledge and love is the Godhead itself.  In another sense, however,  as he does note there is a distinction here, insofar as comprehensive knowledge of God (and supernatural love equal to that) is God’s alone.

 

I will concede that one might wish to push him on aspects of this argument, for fear of a liberal reading of the distinction between the “private” good (an expression itself not without problems) and the “common good.”  But a facebook posting is not the best place to try to decide the exact meaning of an author.  I would in any case, council that it’s not so simple as to say Maritain = Mounier let alone even more radically personalist folks.

 

So, the point of this first level is that there never was actual substantive engagement between De Koninck and Maritain.  Whatever might be said about the former writing against Eschmann, it is not equivalent to saying that this was an affair that they settled _concerning Maritain himself_.  Whoever was at fault for that, it does in any case make the story more complex.

 

Second, on the issue of the person / individual distinction, I myself have always found this to be a ham-handed way of handling the (very real and important) fact that the _political_ common good does not exhaust the whole good of the human person, even in the natural order – at least according to an Aristotelian conception of things, in which contemplation (granted, of the “separate Common Good”) has primacy.  (One could add more here about the relationship between such natural contemplation and, for example, the political order’s own need for religious acts.  But, that gets into a different territory.) I thought I had a copy of Fr. Guilbeau’s thesis. (I swore someone gave me a copy of it once upon a time… Not sure if my sleep-deprived mind burped up that thought from nothing…. I wanted to see how deeply he engages with the theme in those upon whom Maritain depends.)  In any case, a full and fair study of the topic would require not merely an exact reading of Marie-Benoît Schwalm, OP (from whom it was first taken), but also the many places where Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange himself deploys the distinction, himself actually inspired on the level of what we could call (for lack of better terms…) the theological metaphysics of the Incarnation: in Christ, the individuation of human nature and the Divine Personality of the Word are really distinct.  Garrigou discusses it in this register in the following places:

Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, Thomistic Common Sense, trans. Matthew K. Minerd (Steubenville, OH: Emmaus Academic, 2020), 288–270, 308

Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, The Trinity and God the Creator, trans. Frederic C. Eckhoff (St. Louis: Herder, 1952), 155-156.

Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, Christ: The Savior, trans. Bede Rose (St. Louis: Herder, 1950), 119ff.
Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, De beatitudine (Turin: R. Berruti, 1951), 85-87 and 372.

 

He makes the exact same political usage as Maritain (again, not lacking the weaknesses that come with this usage, though also not with a denial of the primacy of the common good) in:

Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, “La subordination de l’état à la perfection de la personne humaine selon S. Thomas," Doctor Communis 2-3 (1949): 146-159; in Philosophizing on Faith, ed. and trans. Matthew Minerd (Providence, RI: Cluny Media, 2019), 183–204.

 

 

And, if I might add a third level, the attribution of “personalist” to Maritain, though used even by him in the relevant essays, is not at all the same as the personalism of 20th century France.  This is somewhat the same tone as one finds in Existence and the Existent, trying to say: we Thomists really have the true existentialism.  The labels “personalist Thomist” and “existential Thomist” do more to confuse than illuminate the nature of the approach to Thomism which was that of Maritain.  (The latter, for example, would put him and Gilson in the same camp.  They most definitely were not......)

 

So… If nothing else, that is where my frustrations come from.

More Vexation: "Ahistorical Thomism"

Another save from a Facebook post….

Another lovely little text to file away in that favorite folder of mine ("Data in contrast to the lies you were told in your youth concerning the pre-conciliar Church, especially concerning scholastic authors").

(Before citing this, bear in mind that the author, though a Thomist, does not assert a kind stupid claim of Thomistic superiority over doctrine. Moreover, he very carefully makes sure to affirm significant conceptual development over the course of dogmatic history [without, however, development in the objective concepts grasped through those formal concepts]. Finally, too, just as one of my addons, he is always cited approvingly by Garrigou-Lagrange, and the latter is cited by him approvingly. I say this not to hold up Garrigou as some end-all-be-all [which I have _never_ said or claimed] but, rather, just to present, yet again, more little proofs that the simplistic anti-scholastic, anti-neo-scholastic narrative is unfair and a kind of bullying. No, I'm not accusing Larry Chapp here. In the end, he is actually willing to pull back any rhetorical excesses. He doesn't prefer neo-Scholastic writers, understandably, because of their clunky and isolated way of talking only to themselves, at least very often. So, my ire here is more at a kind of Zeitgeist, even among a certain kind of Weigelian conservative. [And even Weigel probably deserves kinder treatment than I give him.] Above all, I have in my crosshairs the unfair characterizations of "ahistorical Thomism" by Bishop Robert Barron. Also, before you think I'm falling into the normal traditionalist complaints about Bishop Barron, please see my website where I clarify this under a "thought" that is tagged with his name.)

Okay, the Quote:

"Thirdly, historical knowledge regarding the various ways that Christian doctrine has been formulated, through the course of various eras and in the various writings of particular doctors, theologians, or schools, imposes grave duties upon dogmatic Theology, especially in our era. For the history of dogmas bears witness to a kind of marvelous multiplicity and diversity of formulations in Christian doctrine, a fact that was less well known or at least less fully considered by earlier theologians. Therefore, the proper office of modern theology will be to show: the equivalence of particular formulas; the continuity and identity of doctrine through its changing formulations; and, especially, how defined formulas are equivalent to the successive formulations found through the course of tradition. Such work will bear the greatest of fruits: theological argumentation will gain from it much greater strength and efficacy; dogmas will be considered from various perspectives; many teachings—whether of the Fathers, the doctors, or of the various schools—which at first sight appear to disagree with each other will be shown to be entirely consonant, or at least more easily able to be reconciled with each other; the various teachings of the schools will come to be seen in light of the various (though not opposed) ways of formulating the doctrine of faith, thus preparing the way for the resolution of many controversies."

"In short, I dare to assert: assiduous and subtle consideration concerning the various ways that doctrines have been formulated is the key for a fruitful investigation of the teaching of Sacred Scripture, the Councils, the Fathers, and theologians."

Reginald Schultes, OP, Introductio in historiam dogmatum

A Vexation: "Ahistorical Thomism", with a remark related to Bishop Robert Barron

This comes from another Facebook feed… When you write this much, you find that you want to post it.

It is to a remark from a very kind person on Facebook. But my dander got up…

Glory to Jesus Christ!
First of all I do hear what you're saying. Both the inductive base of theological science, inductive methodologies thereof, and the importance of a kind of appreciation for "the economy" are atrophied in scholastics. But, there were important strides being made in positive theology and quite conservative scholastics like Michel Labourdette were open to all this.

Of course, the remark however, is aimed precisely at the fact that the Thomists hold that the primary subject of theological science (distinguishing that here from the "object" both meaning the formal object as well as to refer to all the conclusions that can be drawn in a given discipline) is the Triune God in His Supernatural Deity. They undergo a temptation to treat Him in a kind of abstract manner I admit. But the better scholastics, and it does include Garrigou if you read his various works, are at least aware of the fact.

I'm not saying that it goes without its weaknesses. But, I'm not convinced that it's all 100% ahistoricity. I don't have a lot of hills that I'm willing to publicly die on. I don't think that online fights and complaining do much good—even though, profoundly and deeply I am angry at the state of the Church. Indeed, I have been since the day when, as a 17-year-old, I was "red-pilled" at St. John the Evangelist in Connellsville, PA, when an old lady said to me, while looking at a picture of the Church from the 50s, "Yes, they claimed that the raredos was in bad condition." She made some comment that made blindingly clear to me that she thought it was utterly a lie. Almost all at once my eyes were opened and I thought, "Oh geeze, you've basically been fed a bunch of lies about the Church before the 1960s." My vexation at those who have been and are in positions of power in the Church has remained in force since. I do see the good of many holy pastors. I also, however, have immense (cataclysmic) disappointment at those in power who seem to be bean counters and lawers, not men of God on the whole....

But, I try to keep that immense sludge of rage somewhat under control. (It's like the slime under NY in Ghostbusters II....) However, on the topic of characterizations of the Thomists, I am prickly and impatient with those who are ready to say: "Ahistorical." Tout court.... It makes me want to say, even of the good guys after the Council: a bunch of incredibly educated and brilliant public intellectuals who, however, don't bother to think scientifically but instead piece together bits of traditional Latin theology into their own personal syntheses but without a care for continuity with seven-hundred years of their tradition, acting all the while as though they sprung out of the head of the inspired authors and Fathers when, in fact, they too are men of their era and, inheritors of the approach, questions, and methods of the post-Tridentine West. Or even worse, I am tempted to think, as a dear friend has said in lectures more than once: it's all theologianology anymore, the study of theologians, not the study of God.

Now, these latter characterizations (which do in fact hit a kind of truth) are nonetheless crass simplifications. But, it seems quite acceptable in "respectable" circles—and here, you are not the one in the cross hairs but, if I must be honest, Bishop Barron*—to throw the accusation of "ahistorical Thomism" out there as a very damning accusation. But, if one dares to mention, for instance, that in the 1940s, at a period when their thought obviously was still ripening and working through its necessary development, a number of SJs like De Lubac, Daniélou, von Balthasar (SJ at the time), and others did not adequately respond to the critiques registered against the end of a book by Henri Bouillard and against a kind of general anti-Scholastic tone in some writings and footnotes—well, then, one is told that they risk putting Vatican II in the crosshairs and are doing damage to the Church. (This has been said to me. No, not by Larry Chapp, with whom I also have differences here, but they are in slightly different directions.) But, Bishop Barron* can dismiss the pre-conciliar "ahistorical" Thomism to applause.

Thus.... you have my reaction to the use of ahistorical. Setting aside what Taylor Marshall et al. might happen to (foolishly, dangerously, perniciously) say about such matters, the many collaborators with whom I have worked have not, at least publicly, been as dismissive of the post-conciliar Communio consensus as the Communio folks are dismissive of the pre-Conciliar Thomists. There are some Thomists who act up about this more, yes. But, I personally think that a kind of slumber would happen in my camp, commenting on the comments of commentators who commented on comments. And, truth be told, historical Thomists too (e.g., Torrell's line or the line of Wippel or the line of Gilson) would also remain quite somnolent and historically stuck if it weren't for the enzyme of engagement from other sources. And yet.... My masters are allowed to just be called "ahistorical"—again, it is not your comment that is in the crosshairs but, rather, Bishop Barron*—and thereby dismissed. Yet, at least for my part, I'm willing to admit my weaknesses. I wish, however, that the Communio folks would admit, perhaps, that their methods too need the ballast of those whose particular charism is to retain the scientific mode of theologizing with rigor and explicit connection to the post-Tridentine Church. (This is all a very weird thing to be said by a Byzantine Catholic, whose liturgical life is so utterly detached from this world!)

*Regarding Bishop Barron
Note well that my vexation is not the normal re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-hash by online Traditionalists: Balthasar's book and a conversation with Shapiro. I find all that boring. Yes, I wish that more Roman Catholics, including the Bishop, would admit quite openly that the Novus Ordo represented a deep breach of continuity on _many, many, many_ heads. It's not as insignificant as some make it out to be. But, as I jokingly say (and as I've heard some other Byzantine's say): Not my (sui iuris) Church, not my problem. (_Obviously,_ it is somewhat "our problem," in that the pain of another Sui-iuris Church affects us. And, also, we don't want to see our own liturgy dismantled the way that the Roman Rite was. Blessedly, however, our experience of Vatican II has been a _return_ to our full liturgical form, not a regression from it.) So, yes, I wish someone like Bishop Barron and his folks wouldn't act like the "liturgy war" stuff is just minor ("oh, you don't know how bad it was when I was young") and that the substantive claims about immense and damaging discontinuity are valid and deserve hearing and acceptance. But, in the end, I don't have really any spiritual devotion to the TLM (and this is based on a number of years of attendance, singing in scholas, etc.). It's not my vocation to right that wrong.

Moreover, I won't even say that I "personally" think that Word on Fire does a great deal of good. Its not a question of personal opinion. I think it is a fact. Res ipsa loquitur. And on all accounts that I have ever heard, he is a zealous man for the Gospel. Granted, I personally don't like his style of presentation when it slips into a kind of intellectual name dropping—"You know, as X says in Y....". But, fine, I'm sure I annoy people too. So, "big deal"!

But, that being said, when the Bishop does speak, on his platform, as though Vatican II issued in the Millenium of Communio rule, and the vanquishing of "ahistorical Thomism", without ANY nuance concerning this matter, he makes me so angry that just the very thought of it has led to this 1000 word post! The substantive critiques seem to go one direction...

Response to Larry Chapp (Re: Weigel posting)

Larry Chapp also invited me to say something to him on facebook regarding my rage about Weigel. I figured I would put it here for the record. To be clear: I think very highly of Larry


Glory to Jesus Christ!

Dear Larry,

 

First and foremost, you’re going to see that I’m quite saucy above in my response.  (For quick reference: https://www.philosophicalcatholic.com/blog/2022/10/12/vexation-aimed-aroused-by-weigel

 

However, take it to be like the sauciness that you yourself like and do with such great Christian vigor.

 

Jon’s remark is mine too. He and I have a book that is a total of over 160k words on this topic.  40k word intro and then translations of all the major OP responses during the “nouvelle théologie crisis.” 

 

On the term “neo-scholasticism”: I stick by my guns.  Yes, it is post-leonine Thomism.  But, first and foremost, I’ll just say it again: the only fully (note that adverb, which is before the adjective) real Thomism is the Thomism that doesn’t reject the Thomist school.  For saying such things, I’ve had people from UST blow up at me online.  Fine.  I’ll never be hired somewhere “reputable”.  If people are that petty, that’s fine.  I’ve never said that they shouldn’t publish.  I’m just saying that one will always be a schizophrenic Thomist who also reinvents wheels with a chronolatrous presentism that always goes back to Thomas’s texts as though we are the ones who only now can read them aright.  Look at how many wheels have been reinvented these past decades.  It’s so tiresome.  Theology and philosophy seem to be the only disciplines that wish to condemn themselves to never progressing for real—for one never wishes to admit that some acquisitions can be definitive—lest one’s own libidinous desire for novelty might be limited by the cold hand of the past (a hand which in fact cradles us and provides the very conditions for any true progress).   

 

I’m not anti-Gilson.  I’m not even anti-Mercier. I’m not anti-De Finance.  I’m not anti-Fabro.  I’m not anti-Wippel.  I’m not anti-UST.  God in heaven, read Fr. Emmanuel Durand’s forthcoming book most of which I translated and all of which I edited.  I found it profound throughout.  It is not my style of Thomism, and I do think something is perhaps lacking when one doesn’t engage with the Thomist school.  But, I think that it’s all profound and is utterly legitimate theology in a broadly Thomist heritage.  (I am anti-Maréchal, but that’s because he seems to have gone way too far off the range…..). But, I am a staunch defender of the prerogative of the Thomist school.  And damned be me if I hold my lips for fear of repercussions that I’ll never feel, given that I’ve long ago torched all possibility of a normal career.

 

Anyway, the expression “neo-scholasticism” is at best an extrinsic and very vague historical denomination.  What’s the point.  It’s just like saying, “Roman Catholic folks who wrote, in all sorts of ways, with all sorts of presuppositions, generally touching in with Thomas and other scholastics, all after Aeterni Patris.”

 

(To understand what I think about training in Thomism, see this essay by John Cahalan:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5eda794851ef816b04d5f4d5/t/5ee5085ccda9177fb9184634/1592068188935/Hudson14.pdf

 

Also, this one by John Deely:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5eda794851ef816b04d5f4d5/t/5ee4e5e88a33630b03883e73/1592059372145/Ciapalo05.pdf

 

On the manuals, take a look at my florilegium from Garrigou.  This is my position.  I’ll defend to death that he wasn’t a manualist.  He was a Roman professor, and hence was marked by the limitations that came with that (and they were real limitations).  But, I’ll fight unto the Ragnarök / Götterdämmerung to defend the claim that Garrigou wasn’t a manualist.

 

Florilegium: https://www.philosophicalcatholic.com/quotations/2022/10/12/florilegium-of-garrigou-quotes-on-the-manuals

 

I have more than once had Roman Catholic Traditionalists contact me to try to reinstate “the manuals”.  I’m not interested in that.  I think there are some good manuals (and _a lot_ of dross).  In point of fact, just recently, when I saw that Prümmer’s short work was republished, I thought, “My dear Lord!  Why wouldn’t they at least translate his 3-volume manual.  But, even better than him was Merkelbach – though more technical and longer.” But, when people cry for the manuals, what they are crying for is a kind of saving from the nebulous state of theology today.  You and I agree that is true.  Good textbooks are what they want, but no few of old manuals were all too marked by the neat kind of mediocrity that is all too human—especially if you are going to teach a broad swath such as seminarians, who are not all looking to be theologians.  Okay, so we need faithful textbooks.  But that doesn’t mean that the silver bullet is found in something merely because it is called a manual.  In any case, if the brief Prümmer were all that one used, it would at best be a useful factbook.  But it would also distort one’s view of Moral Theology, even according Thomism.  (From the start this is true, if you just read how briefly and superficially he discusses what falls the Thomistic treatise on beatitude.)

 

But, now that I’ve said that, I’ll draw down the ire of some trads around my neck…. I hope, though, it earns me some credibility as an independent party….